Comments on: Tharoor and the IPL controversy http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/ Prasanth is a web developer and designer who spends most of his day figuring out how to make better websites. Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:29:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Prasanth http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1428 Prasanth Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:21:47 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1428 No hard feelings taken. My point about Shashi Tharoor using his reputation for petty political gains still stand unmoved. Wondering if I should another post, he has given numerous examples where he is proving he is no better than other corrupt people. Maybe, after the 5 year term. Let's wait. :) No hard feelings taken. My point about Shashi Tharoor using his reputation for petty political gains still stand unmoved. Wondering if I should another post, he has given numerous examples where he is proving he is no better than other corrupt people. Maybe, after the 5 year term. Let’s wait. :)

]]> By: Aswati M. Jose http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1424 Aswati M. Jose Thu, 08 Jul 2010 05:41:20 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1424 For swayable old me, ur article hit gold...well almost, untill i read Govind's retort. Now my blissful ignorance can be somwhat substituted by my fair skills of rationalisation. and to me, it is pretty clear that mr. govind comes thru as good sense, hands down. Some of your claims seem based on your own unintelligible schemes than actual facts. All the same, no hard feelings. For swayable old me, ur article hit gold…well almost, untill i read Govind’s retort. Now my blissful ignorance can be somwhat substituted by my fair skills of rationalisation. and to me, it is pretty clear that mr. govind comes thru as good sense, hands down.
Some of your claims seem based on your own unintelligible schemes than actual facts.
All the same, no hard feelings.

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]]> By: Prasanth http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1310 Prasanth Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:21:40 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1310 Nice to see some support. If you weren't sarcastic, that is. Nice to see some support. If you weren’t sarcastic, that is.

]]> By: anirudh http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1309 anirudh Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:03:11 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1309 nice article man.. and de ones thereof.. ;) nice article man.. and de ones thereof.. ;)

]]> By: Prasanth http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 Prasanth Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:45:38 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1308 Tinu, you seem to overly concerned about the future of Kerala IPL team. Seriously, do you think that is the need of the hour for the state? Or root out the various social evils? And try to counter attack the growing terrorism in Kerala? Aren't there bigger things to look at? You are free to voice your opinion regarding that. 2) I absolutely agree communists and their few policies totally suck. But hasn't the same INC ruled the state before? Multiple times? 3) If we had quality leaders in INC, who thought above petty reservations and stuff, India would have been a super power now. Look at the percentage of people who are below BPL now. Compare that to the time of independence. When India got freedom there were more than 400 princely states that joined together. The wealth of so many states was not enough and still we kept taking loans from the international bank etc. Has the INC bothered to order an enquiry into the crores of money stashed in European banks? Do you call them leaders? 4) About BJP, friend, tell me one political party that does not depend on religion to get votes. INC woos Muslims through their Indian Muslim League, the Christians through their Mani and Jacob groups in central Kerala and Left did the same with Madani. Labelling just BJP as the root cause of all communalism in India is mere foolishness. Secularism means equal right to all religious groups. If that be the case will you be happy to let some minister run a church or mosque? Then why should only temples be under the government? Why not implement uniform civil code all over the country including Kashmir? Creating mini Pakistans inside India is a very bad idea. Look at all the riots in India. All right winged organisations, Bajrang Dal, VHP, RSS etc. have protested against conversion. Kandhamal riots happened because Swami Lakshmananda a 100% non violent sadhu was brutally murdered by a particular minority group. Godhra riots happened because of the burning of a train which had Hindu pilgrims. Read them on Wikipedia, or any unbiased media. Not what CNN IBN or NDTV says. Tinu, you seem to overly concerned about the future of Kerala IPL team. Seriously, do you think that is the need of the hour for the state? Or root out the various social evils? And try to counter attack the growing terrorism in Kerala? Aren’t there bigger things to look at? You are free to voice your opinion regarding that.

2) I absolutely agree communists and their few policies totally suck. But hasn’t the same INC ruled the state before? Multiple times?

3) If we had quality leaders in INC, who thought above petty reservations and stuff, India would have been a super power now. Look at the percentage of people who are below BPL now. Compare that to the time of independence. When India got freedom there were more than 400 princely states that joined together. The wealth of so many states was not enough and still we kept taking loans from the international bank etc. Has the INC bothered to order an enquiry into the crores of money stashed in European banks? Do you call them leaders?

4) About BJP, friend, tell me one political party that does not depend on religion to get votes. INC woos Muslims through their Indian Muslim League, the Christians through their Mani and Jacob groups in central Kerala and Left did the same with Madani. Labelling just BJP as the root cause of all communalism in India is mere foolishness. Secularism means equal right to all religious groups. If that be the case will you be happy to let some minister run a church or mosque? Then why should only temples be under the government? Why not implement uniform civil code all over the country including Kashmir? Creating mini Pakistans inside India is a very bad idea.

Look at all the riots in India. All right winged organisations, Bajrang Dal, VHP, RSS etc. have protested against conversion. Kandhamal riots happened because Swami Lakshmananda a 100% non violent sadhu was brutally murdered by a particular minority group. Godhra riots happened because of the burning of a train which had Hindu pilgrims. Read them on Wikipedia, or any unbiased media. Not what CNN IBN or NDTV says.

]]> By: Govind http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1307 Govind Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:39:58 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1307 @ vishnu A good politician needn't make a good minister or vice versa,our prime minister had little political experience when he took over the reins of the finance ministry in the early 90's, and he did a darn good job...and seriously, did tharoor mention about turining our city into london in 5 years?? cant recall, all i remember him saying is tvm would be twinned with a world class city, to leverage their experience and expertise in civic administration, and he has come close to fulfilling that promise...and sur we have had lots of grass roots politicians in kerala ...but cant remeber anyone touching the heart and soul of the problems the people face, or doing anything about it.. @ vishnu
A good politician needn’t make a good minister or vice versa,our prime minister had little political experience when he took over the reins of the finance ministry in the early 90′s, and he did a darn good job…and seriously, did tharoor mention about turining our city into london in 5 years?? cant recall, all i remember him saying is tvm would be twinned with a world class city, to leverage their experience and expertise in civic administration, and he has come close to fulfilling that promise…and sur we have had lots of grass roots politicians in kerala …but cant remeber anyone touching the heart and soul of the problems the people face, or doing anything about it..

]]> By: Tinu V G http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1306 Tinu V G Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:31:09 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1306 I dont know who you are Mr. Prashanth. I just saw your post through a notification from my friend Vishnu. I appreciate your enthusiasm. But I dont agree to your views and speculations. Some Questions for you: 1) If Mr. Shashi Tharoor didnt convinced this businessmen and so called consortiums that a Kerala IPL team is possible, who else would do the job? when will Kerala see their home team in IPL? 2) You said about bringing MNC's to Kerala, Who Sent Back Volkswagen? Who is delaying the Smartcity Project? Is it Tharoor? Is it INC? 3) When you've got a bunch of Quality leaders like Dr. Manmohan Singh, Pranab Mukherjee, A K Antony etc.? Which post would You give for Tharoor? I think External Affairs is more than suitable? Before you criticise, just make sure you're not really an Anti-Tharoor. Because that is the proper way of criticism. and about a comment i saw about BJP. Dear friend christians have no mis-understanding about BJP. There is not a single christian or a Muslim who doesnt know about the Hidden Hindutva Agenda. If christians were friends with this BJP i dont think there would have been attacks on them in the recent past in Karnataka and Orissa. YOu might say that its VHP who did such assaults. But isnt VHP like a sister or brother concern of BJP? I am not trying to bring about any Religionalist thoughts, but these are some facts. Please answer if you could! I dont know who you are Mr. Prashanth. I just saw your post through a notification from my friend Vishnu. I appreciate your enthusiasm. But I dont agree to your views and speculations.

Some Questions for you:

1) If Mr. Shashi Tharoor didnt convinced this businessmen and so called consortiums that a Kerala IPL team is possible, who else would do the job? when will Kerala see their home team in IPL?

2) You said about bringing MNC’s to Kerala, Who Sent Back Volkswagen? Who is delaying the Smartcity Project? Is it Tharoor? Is it INC?

3) When you’ve got a bunch of Quality leaders like Dr. Manmohan Singh, Pranab Mukherjee, A K Antony etc.? Which post would You give for Tharoor? I think External Affairs is more than suitable?

Before you criticise, just make sure you’re not really an Anti-Tharoor. Because that is the proper way of criticism.
and about a comment i saw about BJP.
Dear friend christians have no mis-understanding about BJP. There is not a single christian or a Muslim who doesnt know about the Hidden Hindutva Agenda. If christians were friends with this BJP i dont think there would have been attacks on them in the recent past in Karnataka and Orissa. YOu might say that its VHP who did such assaults. But isnt VHP like a sister or brother concern of BJP? I am not trying to bring about any Religionalist thoughts, but these are some facts.
Please answer if you could!

]]> By: Govind http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1305 Govind Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:28:01 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1305 I am sorry pahsu..but you seem to blatantly ignorant about the way politics works..landing a cabinet birth is not an easy task..you have to grit your teeth in the party for years before your bestowed with that resonsibility..and the fact that tharoor was assigned that responsibilty despiet being a virtual unknown in indian politics, only points to how highly the congress regarded his international experience and expertise ininternational affairs..and tharoor made clear that he tried to sell the idea of a kochi ipl team to many consortiums, ofcourse your conter argument is that he should have spent that tme and energy to bring in an mnc which provides employment to the youth, but setting up an ipl team is one thing and setting up a factory or such facilities is a completely different thing, because several other factors like infrastructure, work culture ans so on come intoplay in the latter case, which are inconsequential as far s the ipl team is concerned, so without the govt doing its homework and creative a business friendly environment, no politician can single handedly attract investments. And whether kerala has produced cricketers is irrelevant, its possible that the consortium saw the huge malayali diaspora, particularly in the middle east and saw it as a good business opportunity, this is what which influenced their decision, you think any businessman would buy a politician's sales pitch without being absoultely sure that there are profits to be made?..and its funny you pass judgement on him and then say we should wait for 5 years to do so in the very same breath...and a politcian's success is defined by his ability to do things done, will power is a pre requisite to enter politics...and about my arguments not holding water, feel free to let me know why... I am sorry pahsu..but you seem to blatantly ignorant about the way politics works..landing a cabinet birth is not an easy task..you have to grit your teeth in the party for years before your bestowed with that resonsibility..and the fact that tharoor was assigned that responsibilty despiet being a virtual unknown in indian politics, only points to how highly the congress regarded his international experience and expertise ininternational affairs..and tharoor made clear that he tried to sell the idea of a kochi ipl team to many consortiums, ofcourse your conter argument is that he should have spent that tme and energy to bring in an mnc which provides employment to the youth, but setting up an ipl team is one thing and setting up a factory or such facilities is a completely different thing, because several other factors like infrastructure, work culture ans so on come intoplay in the latter case, which are inconsequential as far s the ipl team is concerned, so without the govt doing its homework and creative a business friendly environment, no politician can single handedly attract investments. And whether kerala has produced cricketers is irrelevant, its possible that the consortium saw the huge malayali diaspora, particularly in the middle east and saw it as a good business opportunity, this is what which influenced their decision, you think any businessman would buy a politician’s sales pitch without being absoultely sure that there are profits to be made?..and its funny you pass judgement on him and then say we should wait for 5 years to do so in the very same breath…and a politcian’s success is defined by his ability to do things done, will power is a pre requisite to enter politics…and about my arguments not holding water, feel free to let me know why…

]]> By: Prasanth http://prasanthp.com/2010/04/tharoor-and-the-ipl-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1304 Prasanth Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:53:24 +0000 http://www.prasanthp.com/?p=154#comment-1304 Govind, I agree this is a highly opinionated post. But your counter arguments don't hold water. Indian politics has always been a pot of surprises, most often bitter, than sweet. To tell he became a minister when he was a first time MP is no good. What matters is the work, not the post. Keeping in mind that none of the IPL teams have even reached break even, forget profits; and still Tharoor could bring in money for an IPL team to a state which has not produced any famous cricketer. It proves his influence. I have never said Tharoor is bad, only that he has failed in politics. No harm in giving him a second chance, but I would do that hoping he would tackle with the real issues of his state and constituency. Like I said in the first few lines, I am not suggesting India is corruption free. Lastly, I am not suggesting Tharoor should resign as MP, but it seems very less a possibility that he will be able to do something for his own constituency as an MP which he couldn't do as a minister. Like you said, let us judge him after his 5 year term. Considering that he has already pissed off the North Indian lobby (within the UPA), I don't think he will do a lot. Let's wait though. In my opinion, a leader is one who needs to have will power more than education. Education is good, but without will power it is no good. Vishnu, I agree with you. Absolutely no point in wasting time on IPL when we have BPL issues to handle. I am not comparing UN to India though. Both are on entirely different levels. But a 20 year long career is not good enough? Tough to digest. Govind, I agree this is a highly opinionated post. But your counter arguments don’t hold water. Indian politics has always been a pot of surprises, most often bitter, than sweet. To tell he became a minister when he was a first time MP is no good. What matters is the work, not the post. Keeping in mind that none of the IPL teams have even reached break even, forget profits; and still Tharoor could bring in money for an IPL team to a state which has not produced any famous cricketer. It proves his influence. I have never said Tharoor is bad, only that he has failed in politics. No harm in giving him a second chance, but I would do that hoping he would tackle with the real issues of his state and constituency. Like I said in the first few lines, I am not suggesting India is corruption free. Lastly, I am not suggesting Tharoor should resign as MP, but it seems very less a possibility that he will be able to do something for his own constituency as an MP which he couldn’t do as a minister. Like you said, let us judge him after his 5 year term. Considering that he has already pissed off the North Indian lobby (within the UPA), I don’t think he will do a lot. Let’s wait though.
In my opinion, a leader is one who needs to have will power more than education. Education is good, but without will power it is no good.

Vishnu, I agree with you. Absolutely no point in wasting time on IPL when we have BPL issues to handle. I am not comparing UN to India though. Both are on entirely different levels. But a 20 year long career is not good enough? Tough to digest.

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